Ahh we hear from a junior service wrote on May 31, 2008 10:41 PM:
" The minor branch of the Dept of the Navy. "
Semper Fi wrote on May 31, 2008 8:41 PM:
" Even way back then, the losers had to go somewhere. "
oops wrote on May 31, 2008 8:11 PM:
" You are correct. The Coast Guard begins its history in 1790. "
Man I hope yer talkin about the s wrote on May 30, 2008 9:12 PM:
" Coast Guard service during the Revolution? What revolution was that? It's enough that you are right about the USCG being a proud and effective part of our military, but let's not get carried away! "
Another Opinion wrote on May 30, 2008 1:00 PM:
" In every city in which I have lived (more than a few) the police and fire memorials have been held at a flag at the City Hall. This is after all, the source of their pride, their commission. If held on a weekday, what a wonderful display and example this would have been for the children of the elementary school across the street. Those members of our civil services with a military background have other appropriate holidays to participate in. And yes, the Legion deserves credit for their efforts. "
About that first post wrote on May 30, 2008 10:14 AM:
" The Coast Guard is part of the military. It's just another branch of the armed services. People in the Coast Guard were in the Revolution, the Civil War, and both world wars. Many Coast Guard ships were sunk and Coast personnel lost at sea, especially during World War II. The only real change in Memorial Day came when it ceased being a time just to honor those who died in the Civil War (both north and south)and became a day to honor those service men and wmen now passed on who served in any the armed services. And yes, I am a native of this place and have seen many Memorial Days go by. It's pretty much the same routine as it always has been, no matter who is in power at the American Legion in Onalaska. I think both the Legion and the Aux. do an excellent job at the ceremony each year. "
Comment wrote on May 30, 2008 10:03 AM:
" The only reason I would suspect any police-related memorial was held near the veterans memorial was because many police officers were veterans in the military themselves. (I have never heard of any services being held there before.) The nearness of the American flag display might have been another reason why it was chosen. Firemen? In other cities, firemen (especially volunteers) were actually buried in a special place in cemeteries. I've seen at least one cemetery where this was done, by a fireman statue and an old fire bell. In lieu of that, flag holders and fireman flags are placed by individual graves, like in Onalaska City Cemetery. There is nothing unusual about honoring fire dept. personnel or law enforcement personnel in city cemeteries. And as far as decorating graves goes, that's a combination of the old Decoration Day and the Memorial Days of the southern states (the old Confederacy) and the northern states -- everybody's grave is decorated and spruced up. Memorial Day is just a convenient time to do that type of thing. "
Native wrote on May 30, 2008 6:53 AM:
" Perhaps you can explain the fireman's flags on Veterans Day, or the police memorial held at the vet's area? These things weren't done as a tradition dating back thousands of years. The first poster has a point - things are being slowly changed. It was his opinion and justified. Just like mine-which is, hooking the term "Native" to Onalaska just doesn't mean a thing. "
Onalaska Native wrote on May 30, 2008 2:58 AM:
" The men and women in charge of the Legion today are continuing a tradition that started long before most even moved to Onalaska and long before most of them were even born: Names of all veterans buried there are read off. No distinctions are made as to who is better deserving of the honor. Most of of the deceased vets buried in the cemetery were not even personally known by modernday Onalaska Legion members. I know of no veteran (man, woman, Legion member or non-member) who is upset because every veteran's name is read off at the ceremony. "
The Dude wrote on May 29, 2008 7:01 PM:
" You might be right about the quality of today's military characters, Big El, but they're not the ones insisting on Memorial Day reverence for every veteran. It's the guys who did their time in the 1960s and 1970s, the guys who are in charge at the Legion. I say they should just read the names of the veterans killed in combat and let's give them the love. They really deserve it. The others have VD (Veterans Day). They can get by on that, can't they? "
Big El wrote on May 29, 2008 5:06 PM:
" "Just because they signed up for the military all of a sudden they're all heroes? It seems funny that guys who can't get their lives together and join the military as a last resort to stay out of trouble with the law"?
Dude, with all due respect, that was back in the 1960's and 1970's. I don't think you know what you are talking about. Times have changed. The military isn't a refuge for miscreants and felons. They'll get ran out of there faster than you can say the Dirty Dozen!!
Big El "
To the best of my knowledge wrote on May 29, 2008 9:49 AM:
" To the best of my knowledge, all men and women veterans mentioned at the ceremony over the years are actually buried there, at the cemetery -- except for one. He was a geologist for the U.S. Navy and died in a helicopter crash in Antarctica -- no bodies were recovered from that accident. This man does have a stone in Onalaska City Cemetery though. "
Good point wrote on May 29, 2008 6:02 AM:
" The millions that stood ready through the decades of the Cold War deterred attack and challenged the USSR into a race they couldn't win. There were causalties there as well that might not fit the traditional model. Soldiers and sailors died on active duty performing vital missions - some not combat actions in the traditional sense.
But to the first poster's point, a line needs to be drawn or crossing guards will be included. Nothing against crossing guards, of course. The meaning of Memorial Day is slowly changing. "
Just my opinion wrote on May 29, 2008 4:09 AM:
" Memorial Day was originally set up to honor those who died in the Civil War. It has evolved to now include all veterans who are deceased, no matter if they died as a result of injuries received in service or not. I have no problem with that. One thing that I am thankful for is that the Legion lists off the Civil War vets though. I know one man was a P.O.W. in a confederate prison camp; another saw action at Gettysburg; another was suffered horrific wounds in other battles. About dying in battles: I know of one WWI vet out there too who died in England during the flu pandemic, not as a result of wounds received in combat. Not all men or women in the military who die do so because of battle wounds. And some who were wounded live,and die long after they have left service. "
I understand wrote on May 28, 2008 5:46 PM:
" I served my country. So Veterans Day is all about me and my buddies and you and your buddies. But not Memorial Day. That's for those that gave all. I was a bit uneasy on Veteran's Day when I saw fireman flags on some graves. Then the Legion hosted the police memorial at the veterans memorial. What gives? No connection to the military, but sort of crowding in on the vets place. I don't mean to be disrespectful, but there is, and should be a separation. I think you are right, and I don't think you are the only one that thinks that way. "
CB wrote on May 28, 2008 2:59 PM:
" Dear "what Memorial Day is all about": Gee, I sure do hope that, after attending the observance and hearing the address in Onalaska on Memorial Day this year, you now have more accurate and appreciative viewpoints. After all, my speech certainly addressed all of those topics you mention.
"At least, that's what I think". "
What Memorial Day is really about wrote on May 25, 2008 10:18 PM:
" I think we've lost the real meaning of Memorial Day, but not in the way you think, I think. Wasn't MD supposed to be in remembrance of those who lost their lives in the service of their country? That's my understanding, but for many years now its been like a second Veterans Day.
At Onalaska's MD ceremony, they read the names of every guy buried in the cemetery there who ever served in the military, INCLUDING THE COAST GUARD! Actually, I bet they read the names of guys who died who aren't buried there, too, as long as they had a buddy at the Legion.
It seems like an excessive glorification of the warrior. Heck, a lot of those guys never came anywhere near combat, but just because they signed up for the military all of a sudden they're all heroes? It seems funny that guys who can't get their lives together and join the military as a last resort to stay out of trouble with the law and spent a lackluster two years in the motor pool should get the same treatment as guys who laid down they're lives in combat fighting for their country.
At least that's what I think. "