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Published - Friday, May 16, 2008

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City eyes solutions for problem deer

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Urban deer are becoming an increasing problem in the Coulee Region, and it’s possible part of the solution could be a city ban on feeding deer.

Alderman Bob Muth told fellow Onalaska Common Council members at their monthly meeting Tuesday that he and others from the city engineering department are working with La Crosse County in finding regional solutions to the urban deer problem.

Muth heard from a lot of people during his campaign for mayor, particularly in Greens Coulee, that deer are becoming a nuisance.

“The deer problem is regional,” Muth said. “But the No. 1 step is to adopt an ordinance keeping people from feeding deer.”

City attorney Sean Flaherty said he is reviewing about a dozen samples of ordinance language from other municipalities, and he emphasized that the city should proceed with caution. “The deer problem is serious, but an ordinance will affect bird feeding as well,” Flaherty said. “The other issue is to make it as enforceable as possible.”

Muth said there will be public hearings and future meetings to discuss the problem.

Gas pains

The price of gas is hurting suppliers of goods and services to the city. Hilltopper Refuse and Recyling, for example, has requested an extra $4,800 per month to offset higher costs for fuel. That’s $35,000 extra between now and the end of the contract, which expires Dec. 31, 2008.

The council, on recommendation of the Board of Public Works, denied the request, but agreed to recommend a five-year contract with a stipulation that the contract could be negotiated for an additional two years without reopening the bid.

“We have no dollars budgeted to pick up any form or fashion of a shortage,” City Finance Director Fred Buehler.

Alley paving

Some residents of Onalaska will be subject to special assessments to help pay for alley paving. The Onalaska Common Council voted Tuesday night to assess residents along two alleys two thirds of the cost of asphalt alley paving.

The Board of Public works will conduct a public hearing at next month’s meeting, June 3 at 6:30 p.m.

Seven properties are affected along both sides of the alley or portion of alleys between Fifth Avenue North and Sixth Avenue North from King Street to Locust Street and eight properties are affected between Second Avenue North and Third Avenue North from King to Locust Street.

According to City Engineer Jarrod Holter, the residents along Fifth and Sixth avenues petitioned the city and the residents along Second and Third Avenue have complained about the drainage, but had not petitioned the city. “Since we’re doing one alley, we try to do two or three at a time,” Holter said.

Holter said the city typically assesses property owners two thirds of the costs when paving alleys. Any additional work such as alley aprons, sidewalks, landscaping, retaining walls, etc., would be paid by property owners.

Estimates per property range from $1,200 to $3,678. Residents will have up to 20 years to pay the assessment.

Holter said the city will bid the alley work in June for work in August or September and it usually takes two days to excavate and grade each alley.

Holter estimated about half of Onalaska’s alleys are paved, but the city can only pave two or three per year.

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Future wrote on May 23, 2008 1:41 PM:

" There will be several, if not many candidates in the next mayoral election in four years. No doubt men or women who currently sit on several important committees or commissions will run for mayor. "

Williams wrote on May 23, 2008 1:17 PM:

" Sunfish days hmmmm why don't we see Giese at it or Muth how bout Stellner. The same thing goes with sports.
Why don't we see these political figures in the public eye.
Don't worry I'll run for mayor again people. "

To unaffiliated wrote on May 22, 2008 8:57 PM:

" I'm sure you also find it ridiculous a priest could molest a child, but you know what, it happens. I happen to believe the man who told me the assessor appraised his house from the kitchen. I guess my point with the proper assessment is either the city could have enough money to pave a few alleys or everybody who is valued correctly could get their bill reduced somewhat and better afford a special assessment. "

Onalaska wrote on May 22, 2008 3:45 PM:

" The city name comes from the ancient Norwegian phrase "There oughta be a law". "

Froto wrote on May 22, 2008 11:42 AM:

" NEWS FLASH: I do not live in Green Coulee. Yet where I live we have deer in herds by our place. Anyway, Flash; Woke up this AM to see 10 deer in back yard in a semi-circle. Creeped up to get a better view and find out what's going on. Seems they were having meeting about Ona's Law discussion. Could not make out a lot because they were whispering, but it appears they are going to prepare a formal response to the city council. They adjurned until Wed. next week and signaled their thoughts on this whole thing by each one dropping a pile of deer &&&&** in my yard. "

Only in Onatown wrote on May 21, 2008 7:26 PM:

" Many of the alleys are posted as 'No Through Traffic' which I'm pretty sure is not correct or legal. It is a public way. And why are we resurfacing them, again? If we can't drive on them? There are a few folks that use them as part of their yard. One person keeps a dog on a long leash so the dog lies in the middle of the alley. Can I do that on a street? So we are repaving personal property so a dog can lay down, and the person charged complains? I'll get this yet, Gimme time... "

unaffiliated wrote on May 21, 2008 3:02 PM:

" To reply to "alley paving", I believe their post is misleading. The assessor's values have nothing to do with special assessments, which are the topic of disucssion. Special assessments are tacked onto the yearly tax bill by the City Treasurer and the assessor does not have a hand in who or what gets charged. As for the notion that the assessor "valued a house from the kitchen while drinking a beer", it is most definitely ridiculous. The past 3 assessors (1 individual and 2 firms) are all professionals who know the boundaries...I don't think more needs to be said on that issue. As for the basement buildouts without permit, that would have been caught when the assessor viewed the property (of course, going on the assumption that they left the kitchen). "

Froto wrote on May 21, 2008 12:58 PM:

" Well this is rediculous. another waste of tax dollars. You cannot legislate away the Deer problem with any kind of law. Let see now, ok no feeders of any kind, Done. Now how do we get those pesky deerzz :) to stop breeding and increasing the surplus population? We can legislate a law to outlaw deer co-habitaion and reproducing. Then we will set up a new administative dept. with an andminstrator Oh say $ 75,000/yr plus benies and a full staff of 8 or so and a new office bldg to house them.
Their job will be to hold hearings and set up joint meetings with the Deer to discuss the problem and arrive at a solution equitable to both parties. That should about take care of it. :) "

Just wondering wrote on May 21, 2008 4:21 AM:

" I wonder what specific kinds of damage the deer are doing. Chewing on tree trunks? Eating someone's arborvitae shrubs? Leaving droppings in someone's yard (that one can hardly be helped). In the back of my mind, I am wondering what other wildlife-nature complaints the residents of Greens Coulee are going to come up with in the future. Perhaps the raccoons or songbirds are next on their hit list. Maybe some male cardinal fighting with his own reflecton in somebody's window out there will be among Onalaska's Most Wanted. "

Olderthandirt wrote on May 20, 2008 8:19 PM:

" Hey! Here is an idea! Let's bring that wandering bear into Greens Coulee to do a little deer herd reduction! "

Woodsman wrote on May 20, 2008 6:36 PM:

" Remedials!!
The deer are OVERPOPULATED due to artificial feeding and modifications to their environment precluding predation.
The numbers have to be brought down...now before it is too late. "

Well Golly wrote on May 20, 2008 11:50 AM:

" OTD, I'm with you. I suppose I can't mention the real name of Nathan Hill with out being censored, so I won't go there. But the place sure is filling up with non-traditional or modified names, isn't it? Political correctness is exacting it's toll on us. Yes, it is possible to hunt/chase game out of an area. That is one reason the Native Americans often agreed to move from land. Once the game was gone it was worthless. But I suppose in today's world it would be wrong. "

Olderthandirt wrote on May 20, 2008 8:46 AM:

" That is why the tax payers had to pay for new signs that said GREEN Instead of GREENS Coulee when the new housing developments went in. It was so bothersome to the new residents of the coulee just like the deer. Lets hope the DNR does not get involved. We will have patrolled bird feeders next! "

Just my opinion wrote on May 20, 2008 7:50 AM:

" I like to see the deer when I walk or hike in Green Coulee (by the way, it's named after the Green family who used to own a farm at the coulee's entrance (the "mouth of the coulee"). I do have to drive more carefully though when going to work in the morning and do see deer, usually does and young ones. A DNR-controlled, one or two man hunt is probably the best option. You can't eradicate the deer herd -- deer are just like other wild animals: When some leave an area others move in to take their place. Basically, the deer out there have to be managed, not killed off. "

EpicLulz wrote on May 20, 2008 6:01 AM:

" "What we need is common sense environmental approach"

I seriously hope you were joking with that post. If not I thank God that your "common sense" isn't so common. What you recommend is simply not feasible, and would be akin to Sisyphus pushing his rock up that hill. "

Olderthandirt wrote on May 19, 2008 10:19 AM:

" First of all, remember the new name is GREEN Coulee, since all those years us morons were grammer challanged and needed the yuppies to straighted us out. Now they are whinning their perfect lawns will be damaged, BOO HOO! Let the people enjoy nature by feeding the deer and birds, and keep on hunting in the fall where they can in Onalaska Township to control the population. Another law? No way! "

Froto wrote on May 19, 2008 10:11 AM:

" Gas Pains: Hello there, anyone out their with evern half a brain. You can pay the increase requested now, or stick it to the contractor who in no way shape or form could have forseen this and had to provide a competetive bid. Or, you will pay for it at renewal time when the bids will not only include the lost gas dollars but a significant increase to cover future contingencies. As to no money to pay for it, how about eliminating 50% of the administrative jobs, bringing employee benefits in line with the rest of the strugling taxpayers? OH NO we could not do that they might go on strike. Good let em sit out for a year then maybe you can get start from scratch and set up public service properly. "

Froto wrote on May 19, 2008 10:04 AM:

" Alley Paving: Oh yes, another stick it to the homeowners, the ones who pay the majority of taxes. If the homeowners wants the alley paved then of course charge them, But if they do not, then leave them alone. If one or two want the alley paved then pave only that section that lines up with their property line and charge them for that. If they insist the whole alley be paved then charge only the homeowners who demand the whole thing be paved. That is called put up or shut up and stop hosing the taxpayers. "

Froto wrote on May 19, 2008 9:59 AM:

" Deer: Not a big deal to have a no feeding rule. Waste of taxpayer dollars to enforce it. This will do nothing for the deer problem. Herd manangement is the only thing that will work. At this late stage, eradication is the best answer. ie: Let the hunters shoot the damn things as many as they want. "

Not worth talking about wrote on May 18, 2008 8:59 PM:

" Keep the deer and move the people, or tax the living crap out of the greens coulee property owners to remedy the problem "

Rich people crying again wrote on May 18, 2008 8:54 PM:

" let the people in greens coulee pay for it, I'm over taxed enough for other peoples problems.
If you live in a $300,000 plus house you can afford an extra $1000 a year to rid the deer in your area. You remember you wanted to be close to nature. so leave it alone and leave my tax dollars out of it. "

Kim wrote on May 18, 2008 3:31 PM:

" The deer were here first. All animals were here first, we built homes and roads and businesses where they live. Let them be. "

investment in a foot fence around the bluff and greens coulee move the deer herd wrote on May 18, 2008 1:46 PM:

" Lets put our tax dollars where they should go not into wasted pet projects. What if we capture all the deer and move the herd somewhere else. Instead of always shooting deer to kill them.
DNR need to use tranquilizer guns to put the deer to sleep then move them to a location where theres no heavy population of deer and people. We don't need a new ordinance we have enough of those.
We don't really have anyone worth while on the planning commission.
What we need is common sense environmental approach.

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Greens Coulee is not Muths District wrote on May 18, 2008 1:37 PM:

" Muth needs to worry bout how second district is taken care of. Like for example pot holes and sidewalks that need repair. The deer problem is real simple you don't need to hunt them to solve the problem. DNR is the root problem to the deer. Jim Brush feeds his deer on his game farm you don't see the DNR stopping him. "

Im back wrote on May 18, 2008 1:30 PM:

" If people complain about the deer and the damage they cause they should be focused on how city resources are handled. "

Archer wrote on May 18, 2008 1:23 PM:

" The deer cross Sand Lake road and the highway and do damage...how's that...duh... "

we are the problem wrote on May 17, 2008 9:34 PM:

" If you build a home on the bluff, expect deer damage.........DAH.
Morons all over the place. "

Sounds like Mr. Bob has all the answers wrote on May 17, 2008 5:59 PM:

" Why look at the deer problem when all it takes is another useless, un-enforceable law? How 'bout a little pressure from municipalitys on the DNR to control the herd? Hey, I know! Mr. Bob is now on the planning commission! We could torpedo buiding out into deer environment! Take French valley for instance. Let's put the kabosh on that little project? Ah, whaddi expect from former law enforcement but another law? "

Alley paving wrote on May 17, 2008 12:10 PM:

" If the city got its assessments in order it would pay for more than alley repaving. Just heard last night the assessor appraised a house from the kitchen while drinking a beer with the homeowner. A house by us sold for $120,000 over appraised value. Numerous basement build-outs with no building permit. "

Archer wrote on May 16, 2008 9:40 PM:

" Open up and Archery season...this problem has been intentionally ignored for too long.
People in town, especially Greens Coulee, that feed them should have to pay for the damage when they eat gardens and landscaping and get hit on the road. "

enuffalready wrote on May 16, 2008 6:42 PM:

" Shoot 'em. Doesn't take a lot of thinking to figure that one out. "


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